NL MVP Goes To.....

[RipCity32]

Ryan Braun.

Congrats to him.

 

[cruzg24]

Congratz to him, very well deserved. Helped carry his club to the postseason. He was essential to that team making the playoffs.

 

[elcheato]

Matt Kemp beat him in every offensive category (except batting average but Kemp had a higher OBP so it's irrelevant..), and hes a better defensive player.. Makes no sense.

And if you want to use the post-season nonsense argument, Justin Upton was a lot more important to Arizona, then Braun to Milwaukee.

 

[Giantmetfan07]

I agree I think it should have been Kemp, although it was mad close and clearly postseason gave Braun the edge. I also wonder if Verlander winning MVP gave Braun an edge. Idk when they all cast their votes, but they might not have wanted 2 teams taking both MVP & Cy Young. idk. w/e.

 

[Mexi]

Congratz to him, very well deserved. Helped carry his club to the postseason. He was essential to that team making the playoffs.

he was essential because of who he had around him

switch him and kemp and the standings dont change at all. brewers might even be better

this is so dumb. i hate the voters. i knew i would be disappointed

 

[cruzg24]

Matt Kemp beat him in every offensive category (except batting average but Kemp had a higher OBP so it's irrelevant..), and hes a better defensive player.. Makes no sense.

And if you want to use the post-season nonsense argument, Justin Upton was a lot more important to Arizona, then Braun to Milwaukee.

Braun also had a higher OPS than Kemp btw. But the numbers were very close between the 2.

 

[cruzg24]

he was essential because of who he had around him

switch him and kemp and the standings dont change at all. brewers might even be better

this is so dumb. i hate the voters. i knew i would be disappointed

He still had to drive those players in and he got the job done. Kemp had slightly better stats, but the voters take into account a postseason berth heavily, its just the way it is.

 

[Mexi]

Braun also had a higher OPS than Kemp btw. But the numbers were very close between the 2.

Kemp had a higher OPS+

and remember, the NLC is full of bad pitching.
Bucs, Cubs, Astros, Reds and Cards were meh
only good pitching was the brewers

look at the NLW. Giants and Pads were top 3 staffs, AZ was also very good.

and the parks. Chase and Coors are hitters parks, but literally every NLC park is too
Kemp has to play more games in LA, SD and SF which are huge. makes his numbers even more impressive

 

[Mexi]

He still had to drive those players in and he got the job done. Kemp had slightly better stats, but the voters take into account a postseason berth heavily, its just the way it is.

dont you see what im saying though?

he made the playoffs because he had a better team around him

 

[WHO-DEY-BENGALS_18]

Congrats to Braun.

 

[Giantmetfan07]

Braun also had a higher OPS than Kemp btw. But the numbers were very close between the 2.

We're at a point now where the analysis of the game has changed greatly. We have much more advanced statistics, we take into account different ballparks, level of competition, etc. It's pretty sad the voters haven't moved up and made their decisions based on more aspects of the game, such as sabermetrics, pitchers you face, ballpark factors, etc.

 

[Giantmetfan07]

The voters keep making their votes one way because people back them up by saying "It's just the way it is". Well, if we analyze the game more indepthly, that shouldn't be "the way it is". Once we start knocking them on it, it'll force them to put more thought into their decisions.

 

[cruzg24]

The voters keep making their votes one way because people back them up by saying "It's just the way it is". Well, if we analyze the game more indepthly, that shouldn't be "the way it is". Once we start knocking them on it, it'll force them to put more thought into their decisions.

Yea, you tell em GMF. Go knock on their doors and tell them that they should use more advanced statistics to determine awards. I think they put a lot of thought into it, they just have a different mentality which is slowly changing as time progresses. To say writers arent being more open to it is incorrect. We just had a pitcher win the AL MVP and prior to that another pitcher win the AL Cy Young with a 13-12 record.

This might lead to writers voting on more players who dont make the playoffs, who knows. Kemp was equally deserving, but like I said the writers heavily consider a teams playoff contention.

 

[NV]

Both leagues got it wrong imo.

 

[snipezo]

OMG ITS BECAUSE HE DIDN'T MAKE THE PLAYOFFS!!!!

 

[Giantmetfan07]

Yea, you tell em GMF. Go knock on their doors and tell them that they should use more advanced statistics to determine awards. I think they put a lot of thought into it, they just have a different mentality which is slowly changing as time progresses. To say writers arent being more open to it is incorrect. We just had a pitcher win the AL MVP and prior to that another pitcher win the AL Cy Young with a 13-12 record.

This might lead to writers voting on more players who dont make the playoffs, who knows. Kemp was equally deserving, but like I said the writers heavily consider a teams playoff contention.

you completely missed my point

My point was not they value Playoff berth over advanced statistics. And they continue to do it because we say "thats just the way it is". If we stopped saying that, they would change. If they valued the advanced statistics, ballpark factor, level of pitching competition, etc, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

 

[Giantmetfan07]

And im not going to "knock on their doors". Thats just unnecessary sarcasm. A lot of these voters have twitter accounts. Tweet back at them, etc. Let them know your opinion, and that they shouldn't take playoffs into consideration.

But im going to stop arguing because its not worth it at this point. As a friend of mine pointed out to me earlier: We're arguing about an award given by guys who don't play sports.

 

[cruzg24]

you completely missed my point

My point was not they value Playoff berth over advanced statistics. And they continue to do it because we say "thats just the way it is". If we stopped saying that, they would change. If they valued the advanced statistics, ballpark factor, level of pitching competition, etc, we wouldn't be having this discussion.

I was joking around. I just dont think as baseball fans we are going to change their opinions, old people dont change the way they think easily. The other problem is which advanced statistics are to be credible and which are to be dismissed. You cant use all of them, but you cant also negate them all. Maybe like OPS+, UZR, and WAR.

 

[Mexi]

it's so frustrating

Verlander and Braun?
what the hell is going on man


Braun had a great year, but he wasnt better than Kemp. even if it was ever so slight, team success shouldnt matter. it's unfair to punish Kemp for James Loney, Aaron Miles, Ted Lilly instead of Prince, Weeks and Greinke

of course the Brewers made the playoffs and the Dodgers didnt
like it was such a shock right? before the season 9/10 people thought the Brewers would get in and the Dodgers would miss


jsut venting. im slowly getting over it. but every time i see the stupid HR that Braun hit where he points his bat to the sky i just get sick.