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I'm going to be a jerk, okay? I came back just to revive this topic and thread because people think my ideas are so stupid.
The debate has ended? Are you sure about that?
You are right about Porcello not being DFA worthy. I was wrong to say that. Porcello, would, however, be a good mop up man, 4th or 5th starter, or long man in the bullpen. He is useful there. As a #2 starter, that doesn't cut it.
Now let's compare Fister and Porcello this year, not just their career ERAs (which, mind you, Fister has a way better career).
Rick Porcello- 4.45 ERA, 4.41 FIP, Contact is 4 years, 82.5 million
Doug Fister- 4.53 ERA (going down after tonight), 4.45 FIP, signed for 1 year, 1.75 million
If Fister is trash, then Porcello is right there with him. Funny how their stats are so similar as of late (albeit Porcello has the much larger sample size), yet Porcello is making about $18 million more to produce the same/similar results. One of the main reasons I'm so harsh on Porcello is because of this huge price tag where he makes monumental money for such average results. It's not as bad as the Pablo Sandoval deal, but it's pretty bad what we pay him to produce. Think about it. Ben Cherington lowballs Jon Lester, who's up there with aces and has World Series experience, but he flashes his wallet to land Porcello.
Also, I will mention, if you look at performance the last month exclusively, Fister completely outranks Porcello. His difference in ERA and FIP has decreased dramatically, whereas Porcello has been pretty consistently average all year long.
So many people did not want to put trust in Fister. Everyone said he was done and that he's "trash." Well, he still has way better stuff than Porcello will ever have, and when he's on, he's on. No one wanted to give him a chance just because they thought he was washed up yet, they make Porcello sound like a great pitcher when he's been average most of his career. Fister had some pretty awful starts, I'll give you that, but he's had some brilliant starts as well, and has been increasingly better as the season rolls on. He has pitched well against great teams, including the Indians, which he pitched well 2/3 starts when they've basically owned every other starter in our rotation (including Sale).
Fister is the type of pitcher who is all or nothing, either really good or really bad, but Porcello will always be average. He hasn't had a higher ceiling in his career. So, take it or leave it, this definitely deserves resurfacing.
Okay, now that I've posted this, I'm done being a jerk and I'll leave.
bosoxlover12 said:It's a real shame Pwndroia left once the whole Fister v Porcello argument has finally ended
Fister is straight garbage, and Porcello is not DFA worthy
The debate has ended? Are you sure about that?
You are right about Porcello not being DFA worthy. I was wrong to say that. Porcello, would, however, be a good mop up man, 4th or 5th starter, or long man in the bullpen. He is useful there. As a #2 starter, that doesn't cut it.
Now let's compare Fister and Porcello this year, not just their career ERAs (which, mind you, Fister has a way better career).
Rick Porcello- 4.45 ERA, 4.41 FIP, Contact is 4 years, 82.5 million
Doug Fister- 4.53 ERA (going down after tonight), 4.45 FIP, signed for 1 year, 1.75 million
If Fister is trash, then Porcello is right there with him. Funny how their stats are so similar as of late (albeit Porcello has the much larger sample size), yet Porcello is making about $18 million more to produce the same/similar results. One of the main reasons I'm so harsh on Porcello is because of this huge price tag where he makes monumental money for such average results. It's not as bad as the Pablo Sandoval deal, but it's pretty bad what we pay him to produce. Think about it. Ben Cherington lowballs Jon Lester, who's up there with aces and has World Series experience, but he flashes his wallet to land Porcello.
Also, I will mention, if you look at performance the last month exclusively, Fister completely outranks Porcello. His difference in ERA and FIP has decreased dramatically, whereas Porcello has been pretty consistently average all year long.
So many people did not want to put trust in Fister. Everyone said he was done and that he's "trash." Well, he still has way better stuff than Porcello will ever have, and when he's on, he's on. No one wanted to give him a chance just because they thought he was washed up yet, they make Porcello sound like a great pitcher when he's been average most of his career. Fister had some pretty awful starts, I'll give you that, but he's had some brilliant starts as well, and has been increasingly better as the season rolls on. He has pitched well against great teams, including the Indians, which he pitched well 2/3 starts when they've basically owned every other starter in our rotation (including Sale).
Fister is the type of pitcher who is all or nothing, either really good or really bad, but Porcello will always be average. He hasn't had a higher ceiling in his career. So, take it or leave it, this definitely deserves resurfacing.
Okay, now that I've posted this, I'm done being a jerk and I'll leave.