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Orioles Sign Nelson Cruz
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Cant say they suck anymore :/
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That's a good signing. I'm really shocked it took that long for Nelson to sign.
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Especially considering how fast guys like Peralta signed, just real surprised it took this long.
Fucking Mets, could have gotten him on a decent price.
Fucking Mets, could have gotten him on a decent price.
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because they're morons. Instead of waiting it out and getting Drew and Cruz for like $15M combined per year, they spent $7M on Chris f-ing Young.
Drew's not even that good, and I'm glad we didn't jump after him right away like everyone expected us to do, but he'd be a great clubhouse guy, an obvious upgrade at SS like you said, and he gives 110% every day.
Instead we're focused on starting pitching, because apparently we don't already have Niese, Wheeler, Gee, Colon and 2 terrific prospects ready to be called up within a year.
Drew's not even that good, and I'm glad we didn't jump after him right away like everyone expected us to do, but he'd be a great clubhouse guy, an obvious upgrade at SS like you said, and he gives 110% every day.
Instead we're focused on starting pitching, because apparently we don't already have Niese, Wheeler, Gee, Colon and 2 terrific prospects ready to be called up within a year.
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Cruz is a cheater and hasn't been good in 4 years.
Not to mention how much worse he's been away from Texas.
Not to mention how much worse he's been away from Texas.
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I always forget about the draft pick compensation. I did like the Colon signing. A lot of other Mets fans criticized it and I had to point out that he's still got phenomenal command and I think he's thrown 1 wild pitches and 1 hit batter in the last 2 years. That's pretty insane considering his age.
And in a pitchers park, he'll do well this year. Idk about the 2nd year, but i'll take what we can get if he performs well this year, which I expect him to. Guy's a workhorse.
And in a pitchers park, he'll do well this year. Idk about the 2nd year, but i'll take what we can get if he performs well this year, which I expect him to. Guy's a workhorse.
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Teagz said:
100 HRs in the last 4 years seems good. Ops .833 last year. I'd say thats good despite him being a cheater.
Not saying he's a superstar or anything, but he would have been an upgrade for the Mets considering they gave an almost identical salary to Chris Young who is much worse.
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Hasnt been good in four years? =OTeagz said:
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"Cruz is a cheater and hasn't been good in 4 years." False. Was good in 2013 (albeit PED aided) and was still good in 2011 and 2012.
"Not to mention how much worse he's been away from Texas." You're forgetting he's moving from Texas to Camden Yards. OPACY is a hitter-friendly park.
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The one good year he had was in 2010. He's been average every other year in his career.
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Once again, false. Let's look at his OPS+ each year since 2010 (100 is league average):
2011: 113 OPS
2012: 104 OPS (though he played injured if I recall)
2013: 123 OPS
If he's playing the outfield, you might be able to make a case that he's average because his defense is that bad. If he's a DH, he's definitely above average.
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Im not saying he's been a star, I'm saying he's an upgrade, and a very good upgrade at $8Mil for one year.
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And now I'd think Morales will sign soon. And probably for a similar salary. Still can't believe he turned down that QO.
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What the hell is your definition of good? There's a reason nobody wanted this guy.mgh1985 said:
He's been average in just about every category since 2011 and this was while he was on the juice.
Plus this article http://www.fangraphs.com/blogs/a-frightening-list-of-nelson-cruz-comparisons/ suggests that he's bound to fall off a cliff.