Marlins Offered Jose Reyes Six Years, $90MM

[Big Bid'Ness]

From:MLBTR

The Marlins offered $90MM over six years to Jose Reyes, a source told Ken Rosenthal and Jon Paul Morosi of FOX Sports. They say Reyes is intrigued by playing in warm weather and for Ozzie Guillen. Reyes wants a contract worth a minimum of $100MM, however, tweeted Joel Sherman of the New York Post yesterday. More from Rosenthal and Morosi...

The Marlins have not discussed moving Hanley Ramirez to center field.
Many in the industry are skeptical of the sincerity of the Marlins' early offers to Reyes, Albert Pujols, Mark Buehrle, and Ryan Madson, feeling the proposals are competitve

From:MLBTR

Ramirez Not Open To Position Change

Marlins shortstop Hanley Ramirez is not at all pleased about the prospect of changing positions if the team signs Jose Reyes, a source tells Clark Spencer of the Miami Herald (via Twitter). Spencer adds that the two players aren't the friends that many portray.

Late last month, club president David Samson said that the Marlins haven't discussed moving Ramirez away from shortstop or asking Ramirez about a position change. A representative for Ramirez also said that the Marlins hadn't asked the soon-to-be 28-year-old to move from shortstop.

 

[cruzg24]

Reyes will take a long time before he signs with a team. I also dont think the Marlins are favorites if its true that Hanley isnt willing to move to another position.

 

[Mexi]

lol hanley

 

[Giantmetfan07]

somebody will top $100M, no doubt.

the question is just how many years.... a lot of speculation at first was 5/$100, but now it might be more along the lines of 6/$100-$115 which would make it interesting.

I think Mets can top and will top that offer, but I dont want to see them go too high either. I'd say $115 and thats it. We spend too much in the past and it continuously hurts us. With the way our payroll is and our ownership financial issues are, Mets may have to pick one of 2: Reyes, or Wright. If they sign Reyes, who knows if they can afford to keep Wright.

Now, if they keep Reyes, that also gives them the ability to trade Wright for considerable prospects, whereas resigning Wright and not signing Reyes basically gets them, at most, a 2nd round draft pick from the Marlins, or potentially a 1st rounder from a different team.

BUT CBA talks supposedly have discussed Type A compensation not including 1st round pick anymore, which would be another blow.

 

[Barcode]

Would it be too much of a surprise to see Miami deal H Ramirez if they aree w/ Reyes? He's signed to a very affordable contract and will get a great return if they move in that direction.

 

[snipezo]

I hope they do move Hanley .

 

[Elite]

I hope they do move Hanley .

Don't like your chances in trading for Hanley.

Unlike other reclamation projects you guys have taken on like Rasmus or Yunel, Hanley has proven to be a bona fide superstar and many teams will be willing to pony up big time prospects for him should he hit the open market

 

[cruzg24]

somebody will top $100M, no doubt.

the question is just how many years.... a lot of speculation at first was 5/$100, but now it might be more along the lines of 6/$100-$115 which would make it interesting.

I think Mets can top and will top that offer, but I dont want to see them go too high either. I'd say $115 and thats it. We spend too much in the past and it continuously hurts us. With the way our payroll is and our ownership financial issues are, Mets may have to pick one of 2: Reyes, or Wright. If they sign Reyes, who knows if they can afford to keep Wright.

Now, if they keep Reyes, that also gives them the ability to trade Wright for considerable prospects, whereas resigning Wright and not signing Reyes basically gets them, at most, a 2nd round draft pick from the Marlins, or potentially a 1st rounder from a different team.

BUT CBA talks supposedly have discussed Type A compensation not including 1st round pick anymore, which would be another blow.

It sucks that the Mets payroll is limited to 100 million, I know thats a lot of money but when your accustomed to 140+, its sad to see a team who might not be able to afford its best player. Considering that Beltran, Castillo, and Perez are all gone there isnt a reason why the Mets cant spend logically for players. Stupid owners...

As for Hanley being traded, everyone would be lining up to get him, he just had one off year, I dont think that will be the norm with him. He also had injury issues which he dealt with last year and I think that affected him a lot.

 

[Mexi]

somebody will top $100M, no doubt.

the question is just how many years.... a lot of speculation at first was 5/$100, but now it might be more along the lines of 6/$100-$115 which would make it interesting.

I think Mets can top and will top that offer, but I dont want to see them go too high either. I'd say $115 and thats it. We spend too much in the past and it continuously hurts us. With the way our payroll is and our ownership financial issues are, Mets may have to pick one of 2: Reyes, or Wright. If they sign Reyes, who knows if they can afford to keep Wright.

Now, if they keep Reyes, that also gives them the ability to trade Wright for considerable prospects, whereas resigning Wright and not signing Reyes basically gets them, at most, a 2nd round draft pick from the Marlins, or potentially a 1st rounder from a different team.

BUT CBA talks supposedly have discussed Type A compensation not including 1st round pick anymore, which would be another blow.

I really dont think Sandy Alderson wants to keep him.

he's too fragile and going to cost too much

Alderson wants to lower payroll regardless of whats going on. money troubles or not, he wanted a lower payroll

 

[Giantmetfan07]

Well the way I see it, Alderson understands that while he has to cut payroll and rebuild us through youth and draft, etc, he has to resign at least 1 of Jose Reyes and David Wright. Clearly he can't afford to keep both, and the sooner the Mets fans understand that the better -- and I swear, they don't understand it. However, they're slowly making progress towards that realization.

So he has to resign 1. Resigning Reyes would make sense because that would give Alderson the flexibility to trade David Wright before July 31st 2012, and the package of players in return for Wright would far exceed the Free Agent Compensation for losing Reyes. And if the Marlins were to sign Reyes, I believe since their draft pick is Top 10 they wouldn't surrender that pick. In the end, signing Reyes makes more sense.

They can afford one of them, but not the other. The question is who do they choose.

 

[Elite]

Well the way I see it, Alderson understands that while he has to cut payroll and rebuild us through youth and draft, etc, he has to resign at least 1 of Jose Reyes and David Wright. Clearly he can't afford to keep both, and the sooner the Mets fans understand that the better -- and I swear, they don't understand it. However, they're slowly making progress towards that realization.

So he has to resign 1. Resigning Reyes would make sense because that would give Alderson the flexibility to trade David Wright before July 31st 2012, and the package of players in return for Wright would far exceed the Free Agent Compensation for losing Reyes. And if the Marlins were to sign Reyes, I believe since their draft pick is Top 10 they wouldn't surrender that pick. In the end, signing Reyes makes more sense.

They can afford one of them, but not the other. The question is who do they choose.

Neither because when you guys are actually going to be competitive they'll be mid 30's aging stars.

 

[snipezo]

Don't like your chances in trading for Hanley.

Unlike other reclamation projects you guys have taken on like Rasmus or Yunel, Hanley has proven to be a bona fide superstar and many teams will be willing to pony up big time prospects for him should he hit the open market

Obviously it's gonna take a lot to trade for Hanley but Jays actually have on of the better farm systems in the league and I'm sure AA would be willing to give up some good prospects for him.

 

[Elite]

Obviously it's gonna take a lot to trade for Hanley but Jays actually have on of the better farm systems in the league and I'm sure AA would be willing to give up some good prospects for him.

Unless the Marlins were 100% against trading him to Atlanta, that's easily the best match-up.

Atlanta needs a SS and has multiple pitching prospects with ace potential and Florida needs pitching in the worst way.

At the end of the day, the Marlins need to realize that even though they might not want to trade him to a division rival, it would be the best thing for their team.

 

[elcheato]

They aren't going to trade him in division, so sending him to someone like the Dbacks would make more sense, since they're just as loaded with pitching prospects.

 

[Giantmetfan07]

Neither because when you guys are actually going to be competitive they'll be mid 30's aging stars.

im not denying that, but if they don't keep 1 of them stadium attendance will drop even worse than it is now, which will fuck shit up even more.

Keeping one of them gives the fans a reason to at least go to the games.

 

[Elite]

They aren't going to trade him in division, so sending him to someone like the Dbacks would make more sense, since they're just as loaded with pitching prospects.

Bauer and Parker are their legit pitching prospects, no team is just as loaded as Atlanta. Can't see them trading Bauer for him since he's supposed to be the pitcher that can pitch like the old guys used to and throw a million innings every year and they'd have to add a lot more to him.

 

[elcheato]

Archie Bradley, Tyler Skaggs...

 

[snipezo]

Jays also have a plethora of pitching specs. Obviously not ML ready but really talented pitchers. I would probably give up Gose/Marisnick, Drabek, and Syndergaard (sp) and maybe Sanchez.

 

[Elite]

Archie Bradley, Tyler Skaggs...

Bradley can't even be traded until August, unless they were to include him as a PTBNL.

Forgot about Skaggs, he came over in the Haren trade right?

 

[Big Bid'Ness]

From:MLBTR

Ozzie: Marlins "Dead Serious" About Contract Offers

Many people around the industry are skeptical about whether the Marlins are sincere about their intent to go all-in on free agents this offseason, says Ken Rosenthal of FOX Sports. However, manager Ozzie Guillen wants to assure any doubters that the Marlins are "dead serious" about making a splash.

“This is for real,” Guillen told Rosenthal. “I don’t think this is a marketing thing. This is what [the Marlins] want. They’re trying to improve as quickly as they can.... It’s not to show, ‘We’re trying, but we’re not going to do anything.’”

Rosenthal confirms yesterday's report that the Marlins offered Albert Pujols a nine-year contract. While he's not sure about the dollar amount, he hears it's "substantial." Joe Capozzi of the Palm Beach Post reported this afternoon that the total amount of the offer is under $200MM.

The Marlins have also extended formal offers to Jose Reyes, Mark Buehrle, and Ryan Madson, according to Rosenthal. Considering how many players the Marlins are pursuing, the team is prepared to increase its payroll significantly for 2012. According to Juan C. Rodriguez of the Sun Sentinel (Twitter link), club president David Samson said today that he doesn't expect player salaries to exceed $100MM next season, but "you never know."