Nola's 2016 Mock - V3 *full first round*

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I'm not against Hield, but he's not who I'd go with
 

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Also you rate Luwawu really low. I'd take him at 16
 

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bosoxlover12 said:
I'm not against Hield, but he's not who I'd go with
 

I assume it will come down to Hield and Murray. I feel like the Celtics are a team that wants to win games now, and that's evident in their drafting strategies over the last 5 seasons. Of the 11 guys they have drafted only James Young has just one season of college experience, the other 10 were all "college vets." I think it comes back to two things, coaching and IQ. Monty Williams once said there was a difference between teaching and coaching. That is so true. I don't think the Celtics are really wanting to teach right now, they want guys they can coach. You take a guy like a Murray, or even Bender, you're likely having to teach those guys for the next two years at the least.


 
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Also you rate Luwawu really low. I'd take him at 16
I like him a little higher than where I pegged him at, but not quite up to 16. He was gaining steam for a minute there but now it seems like as scouts really dig into him he's losing some of that. Think some of it has to do with scouts wanting to see an advanced array of skills for a guy that's a little older (21), when in fact he plays more like an 18 or 19 year old.
 

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Very true points about the IQ and intelligence aspect. I'm not a huge Jamal Murray fan either -- he seems like a less explosive Eric Gordon to me.
 
 
My guy is actually Jaylen Brown. Great wingspan, super athletic, and shows great defensive promise. He's one of, if not, the smartest players in the entire draft and someone that I assure Brad Stevens would love to coach. 
 
The main criticism behind Jaylen is his shooting ability. He doesn't have a bad form at all -- just not the highest percentages from deep. I credit that to the retarded Cal offense that ran a one guard, three wing, one big lineup at a super slow pace. Jaylen was the "PF" in that offense, and due to that he often had much taller PFs in his face while running outside shooting concepts, which disrupts shooting percentages. I see him as a SF, even a SG at times, and he wont face that problem nearly as often. He won't be a great shooter, but he won't be much worse of a shooter than Jae Crowder is, and the kid has hops.
 
There isn't a superstar at #3 overall, so I like to go with the safer option who can contribute really well. He's got a ton of length, and we need wings on this team. We have Jae starting -- but outside of that? Turner is a FA (who will be overpaid, not by us), and I don't trust James Young or RJ Hunter playing key defense on the wing. Unless the plan is to make Smart a permanent SF (which is silly), we need wings.
 
Jaylen's my guy.
 

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bosoxlover12 said:
Very true points about the IQ and intelligence aspect. I'm not a huge Jamal Murray fan either -- he seems like a less explosive Eric Gordon to me.
 
 
My guy is actually Jaylen Brown. Great wingspan, super athletic, and shows great defensive promise. He's one of, if not, the smartest players in the entire draft and someone that I assure Brad Stevens would love to coach. 
 
The main criticism behind Jaylen is his shooting ability. He doesn't have a bad form at all -- just not the highest percentages from deep. I credit that to the retarded Cal offense that ran a one guard, three wing, one big lineup at a super slow pace. Jaylen was the "PF" in that offense, and due to that he often had much taller PFs in his face while running outside shooting concepts, which disrupts shooting percentages. I see him as a SF, even a SG at times, and he wont face that problem nearly as often. He won't be a great shooter, but he won't be much worse of a shooter than Jae Crowder is, and the kid has hops.
 
There isn't a superstar at #3 overall, so I like to go with the safer option who can contribute really well. He's got a ton of length, and we need wings on this team. We have Jae starting -- but outside of that? Turner is a FA (who will be overpaid, not by us), and I don't trust James Young or RJ Hunter playing key defense on the wing. Unless the plan is to make Smart a permanent SF (which is silly), we need wings.
 
Jaylen's my guy.
He's certainly extremely talented, he has an NBA ready body, and he has some good traits that could make him go as high as third.

But at the same time, he's got some other things in his game (or not I suppose) that would make it unsurprising to me if he fell out of the top 10.

I don't think he elevated his teams level of play, and having an 18.70 PER in a game that generally a 20 is around average is concerning. You almost have to take the good and the bad with him, and I feel like that's something you say for a guy going at the back end of the lottery and not a top 5 pick. His ball handling for example, you can say his ball handling for a SF is appealing. He's lethal in the open court, with the ability to change speeds and attack defenses while finishing above the rim.  His ball handling is a little inconsistent in the half court though, he doesn't have a particularly explosive first step and had some trouble turning the corner in college.  It hurts his ability to create offense for himself, as well as his inability to finish below the rim.  He kind of takes wild shots at the rim.  I think his shot selection is poor too, and for a guy that really can't shoot he sure does try to alot.  I read that he missed 72% of his two point jumpers this season at Cal.  A guy that gets to the free throw line so much but only shoots 65% is extremely troubling, as well.
 
Defensively I think he has all the tools to be a very good defender.  But he's inconsistent, and his ability to guard more than one position is questionable.  He's not the defender his physical tools would suggest he should be, atleast not yet.  His focus wavers and he leaves his feet far to often.  He's a poor off ball defender.
 
Honestly, I personally don't like him very much.  Think he's too big of a project, he's one of those guys that is 90% upside and likely will be a pretty bad player his first year in the NBA.  He's a high risk high reward prospect.
 

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Denzel Valentine at 6? To your own team? Don't do that to yourself haha.

Also think you're too low on Malachi and maybe too high on Brogdon but I could see a playoff team going for him
 

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CameronCrazy06 said:
Denzel Valentine at 6? To your own team? Don't do that to yourself haha.

Also think you're too low on Malachi and maybe too high on Brogdon but I could see a playoff team going for him
I'm going to be livid if come draft night Jamal Murray is still on the board and we pass over him for Denzel. But I tried to pick based off what that particular team would do. It goes back to what I said with Boston, this franchise honestly believes the 4-8 seed is open in the West and they want to win now, and they'll hurt themselves 5 years down the line to do it. They want guys they can coach. There are well connected local media saying the Pels draft board is something like, 1) Hield, 2) Dunn, 3) Trade, 4) Valentine. Hield and Dunn were off the board, and I didnt project trades.

I think that's a good slot for Malachi, right now. I do agree Brogdon was to high but I liked the fit in Charlotte.
 

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Malachi's stock has sky rocketed these past few weeks. It wouldn't shock me at all to see him go in the lottery

As for Denzel, I just can't see a team picking him that high. He's a mid to late first rounder. I guess I shouldn't be so surprised because every year there's a senior like Kaminsky who has no business going as high as he does. But I still would be shocked to see Denzel go that early. He's not a great athlete by any means. His biggest skill is his play making ability but he's turnover prone and can't guard NBA points.
 

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Believe me I'd question it as much as you would lol, but I have little faith in a Tom Benson run franchise. There's probably 4-5 guys I would prefer over Denzel that I really don't think this team considers because they're too caught up in reaching the playoffs now.
 

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