2015 MLB Off-Season Thread

snipezo · Nov 4, 2014

elcheato said:
Trout is gonna win unanimously, I'm just impressed with Brantley, he improved a lot this year.

I thought Vmart was done before the season too, and he was great

he put up a super good season this year, damn.

CameronCrazy06 · Nov 4, 2014

Teagz said:
Player A: .327/.385/.506
Player B: .271/.333/.525

It's not that bad if you look at it without bias.

Player B led the league in home runs and was up there in RBI's, his team made the playoffs, not surprising to see a tigers fan knock Nelson Cruz though

Pugz · Nov 4, 2014

CameronCrazy06 said:
Player B led the league in home runs and was up there in RBI's, his team made the playoffs, not surprising to see a tigers fan knock Nelson Cruz though

he wasn't knocking him

Thomas-Panda-Saxby · Nov 4, 2014

It doesn't even matter, Trout wins it anyway.

Teagz · Nov 4, 2014

CameronCrazy06 said:
Player B led the league in home runs and was up there in RBI's, his team made the playoffs, not surprising to see a tigers fan knock Nelson Cruz though

Hitting 40 home runs isn't getting you MVP votes, you know that. Chris Davis hit 53 last year and got one 1st place vote. And just because Cruz's team was more successful doesn't make his season any better than it would have been if the Orioles didn't make the playoffs.

CameronCrazy06 · Nov 4, 2014

The award is most valuable player. If you aren't factoring in team success at least a bit then you aren't looking at it right.

Either way, without Nelson Cruz, the Orioles don't make the playoffs this year. I can tell you that for a fact and I'm sure Buck would say the same thing. With or without Brantley, the Indians don't make the playoffs. Who did more?

Thomas-Panda-Saxby · Nov 4, 2014

I agree with CC there. I used the same argument against Trout

elcheato · Nov 4, 2014

CameronCrazy06 said:
The award is most valuable player. If you aren't factoring in team success at least a bit then you aren't looking at it right.

Either way, without Nelson Cruz, the Orioles don't make the playoffs this year. I can tell you that for a fact and I'm sure Buck would say the same thing. With or without Brantley, the Indians don't make the playoffs. Who did more?

So Brantley did not impact the Indians? Made no difference in their success?

Giantmetfan07 · Nov 4, 2014

Real question is how much do you factor in success?

CameronCrazy06 · Nov 4, 2014

What success? They didn't make the playoffs.

Giantmetfan07 · Nov 4, 2014

Thomas-Panda-Saxby said:
I agree with CC there. I used the same argument against Trout

So trout, regardless of his performance, loses points because his team had talent around him? That's insane.

CameronCrazy06 · Nov 4, 2014

I think he was talking about trout the past two years

Giantmetfan07 · Nov 4, 2014

I hope so.

Thomas-Panda-Saxby · Nov 4, 2014

Yes CC I was talking the years that people put him over Miggy.

elcheato · Nov 4, 2014

CameronCrazy06 said:
What success? They didn't make the playoffs.

So he had no impact at all on the game because the Indians had less talent around him than the Orioles had around Cruz?

CameronCrazy06 · Nov 4, 2014

I'm honestly not even that convinced that your above statement is true given how many players missing the Orioles had this year.

Mobruler · Nov 4, 2014

Tigers need to re-sign V-Mart at all costs. Especially considering he's threatening to go to another team in the division. They need to act like a team that wants to win the World Series, something they didn't do last season. Nobody will ever convince me the Tigers wouldn't have won it all this year if they hadn't done the Fister trade and re-signed Peralta and Benoit. Not getting Martinez back would be apocalyptic.

snipezo · Nov 4, 2014

CameronCrazy06 said:
I'm honestly not even that convinced that your above statement is true given how many players missing the Orioles had this year.

Based on offensive and pitching stats, that's fair to say, but the AL East was much weaker this year while the central was at least somewhat competitive this year.

o's fielding is a lot better than the indians though.

Thomas-Panda-Saxby said:
Yes CC I was talking the years that people put him over Miggy.

the tigers had a much better roster than the angels did. it's not his fault his team didn't make the post season during those two years he was robbed of a mvp.

Thomas-Panda-Saxby · Nov 5, 2014

He was robbed when Miggy won Triple Crown?

elcheato · Nov 5, 2014

The Triple Crown is a rare achievement but that doesn't make someone the automatic MVP, as we have better stats than AVG and RBIs as indicators.

Also, earlier I wasn't even saying if Brantley deserved the irrelevant #3 spot instead of Cruz anyway. I just think it's silly to dismiss a candidate and elevate another because one team made the post-season.

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