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#61 OFFLINE   brett05

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Posted 23 December 2017 - 11:34 AM

you implied that.

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Posted 24 December 2017 - 05:48 PM

Kobe is top 10...

 

1- MJ

2- Kareem

3- Bron Bron? (this is where I think he finishes)

4- Wilt

5- Magic

6- Bird

7- Hakeem

8- Russell

9- Kobe

10- Shaq

 

 

Kobe was one of the best offensive players of all-time. His ability to score in volume was fun to watch. He was a good defensive player (when he tried). 5x world champ. 1 MVP (though he could have had more). I'd say he is top-ten, and I would listen to anyone who argues down to 15. No higher than 7 or 8 though. I think I would easily take all 6 from my top 6 over him. 


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Posted 24 December 2017 - 11:27 PM

Kobe is top 10...
 
1- MJ
2- Kareem
3- Bron Bron? (this is where I think he finishes)
4- Wilt
5- Magic
6- Bird
7- Hakeem
8- Russell
9- Kobe
10- Shaq
 
 
Kobe was one of the best offensive players of all-time. His ability to score in volume was fun to watch. He was a good defensive player (when he tried). 5x world champ. 1 MVP (though he could have had more). I'd say he is top-ten, and I would listen to anyone who argues down to 15. No higher than 7 or 8 though. I think I would easily take all 6 from my top 6 over him. 


Let me hear your argument for Wilt over Magic
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Posted 24 December 2017 - 11:34 PM

Let me hear your argument for Wilt over Magic

100 points in a game. Better stat line
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Posted 24 December 2017 - 11:36 PM

Excluding Wilt Bill Oscar and that 140 pace league with 12 teams(exaggeration but you get it)
MJ
Magic
Kareem
....... smh
Kobe
Bird
Shaq
Timmy
Hakeem
Zeke (dont mind this, just a homerville pick didnt have anyone else to put in the top 10 but hes around top 15)

Why Kobe over bird and Shaq? Shaq was the most dominate bigman to ever play
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Posted 24 December 2017 - 11:40 PM

100 points in a game. Better stat line


First of all, you probably dont even know the real story of that 100 point game and how the entire 4th quarter, his teammates fouled the other team so they could get the ball back asap and feed it to Wilt. Cheap way of scoring a 100

Second of all, couldnt win during his real prime and his numbers in the finals were always lower than the regular season or the rest of the playoffs. Numerous times got slowed down in the finals by Bill.

Third of all, stat line argument has little weight to it bc otherwise he’d be the goat if we were going off of stats.

Very weak arguments, hopefully Coach can come up with something better
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#67 OFFLINE   Father Pugzo

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Posted 25 December 2017 - 02:10 AM

wilt is very overrated
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Posted 25 December 2017 - 08:53 AM

Let me hear your argument for Wilt over Magic

 

First of all, it's really hard to compare guys from different generations, and then we have two players who played completely different positions. I could flip a coin with those two. But Wilt averaged 30 points and 23 rebounds in his career. That was his career average. That's incredible. The competition wasn't the same, but nobody else in his time came close to that. Magic had more titles, but he also had a better team. Plus, how many women did Magic sleep with? I bet it wasn't 20,000. I know that isn't a fair fight, but Wilt crushes everyone in that stat. Prolific. 


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Posted 25 December 2017 - 08:57 AM

I'd love to hear your argument for Tim Duncan over Hakeem while we are at it  :sas:


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Posted 25 December 2017 - 09:03 AM

rings, erneh


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Posted 25 December 2017 - 10:53 AM

rings, erneh

 

Duncan had the privilege of playing for one of the greatest (if not THE greatest) coaches of all time. Hakeem and Duncan were both great offensively, but Hakeem was a game-changer on defense. Duncan was great at defense, but is the product of a system. No team has played better team-defense than the Spurs over the last 20 years. Duncan definitely benefited from that. Plus, Hakeem had stronger competition at his position during his era than Duncan. I dunno, I admire Duncan, but I think he has one of those Belichik/Brady issues surrounding him. Both are all-time greats, but is he a product of the system or does the system work because of the player. I think it's a little of both. 


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Posted 25 December 2017 - 01:50 PM

not like hakeem didnt benefit from his rings only coming when jordan retired
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Posted 25 December 2017 - 02:14 PM

not like hakeem didnt benefit from his rings only coming when jordan retired

 

I'd give the Rockets a slight edge in 93-94 and a better chance in 94-95. The Rockets were on FIRE on the second run. I don't know if any team would have stopped them the way they plowed through the Magic. Plus, the Bulls (w/ Jordan) would have had to make it through the Knicks and then the Pacers. They probably would have, but that's not an easy road to go. It obviously wore on the Knicks going 7 games 3 series in a row. 

 

Honestly, I tire of this argument. I think it's lazy. Those Rockets teams were championship caliber teams. Rockets could switch Maxwell/Elie on Jordan. I like the way they would have matched up with the Bulls. Thorpe and Olajuwon would have given the Bulls fits in the paint. People need to stop discrediting them. If the Rockets hadn't come back and won it again the next year, the argument might have a little more merit. but alas,....


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Posted 25 December 2017 - 03:27 PM

 
First of all, it's really hard to compare guys from different generations, and then we have two players who played completely different positions. I could flip a coin with those two. But Wilt averaged 30 points and 23 rebounds in his career. That was his career average. That's incredible. The competition wasn't the same, but nobody else in his time came close to that. Magic had more titles, but he also had a better team. Plus, how many women did Magic sleep with? I bet it wasn't 20,000. I know that isn't a fair fight, but Wilt crushes everyone in that stat. Prolific. 


Lol and the whole sleeping with 20K women was shot down by his own teammate saying its definitely bullshit bc theyd see wilt go to his room every night with a bag of mcdonalds and nothing else. He was a loner, and all about himself. Wouldnt be surprised if he just straight lied
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Posted 25 December 2017 - 03:42 PM

I'd love to hear your argument for Tim Duncan over Hakeem while we are at it  :sas:


Without Duncan, we wouldnt have seen 20 years of excellence from the Spurs. Winning rings with manu parker is great. Sure he won one with Drob but drob was old and Timmy was the clear leader of that team in only his second season. Straight dominated. Only knock on Duncan is that he never repeated. Other than that, he made the spurs. Sure pops is amazing but we dont see this kind of greatness for this long without Timmy. He made the Spurs culture like this by being who he was.
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Posted 25 December 2017 - 03:44 PM

 
I'd give the Rockets a slight edge in 93-94 and a better chance in 94-95. The Rockets were on FIRE on the second run. I don't know if any team would have stopped them the way they plowed through the Magic. Plus, the Bulls (w/ Jordan) would have had to make it through the Knicks and then the Pacers. They probably would have, but that's not an easy road to go. It obviously wore on the Knicks going 7 games 3 series in a row. 
 
Honestly, I tire of this argument. I think it's lazy. Those Rockets teams were championship caliber teams. Rockets could switch Maxwell/Elie on Jordan. I like the way they would have matched up with the Bulls. Thorpe and Olajuwon would have given the Bulls fits in the paint. People need to stop discrediting them. If the Rockets hadn't come back and won it again the next year, the argument might have a little more merit. but alas,....


Mad Max was awesome and same with Mario, but come on man lets not start saying they’d slow down MJ who was in his prime. He’d still get his easily. I do agree that Hakeem would have gave them big problems since then they still didnt have Rodman tho but still think Bulls win. If not both, one for sure.
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Posted 25 December 2017 - 05:22 PM

First of all, you probably dont even know the real story of that 100 point game and how the entire 4th quarter, his teammates fouled the other team so they could get the ball back asap and feed it to Wilt. Cheap way of scoring a 100

Second of all, couldnt win during his real prime and his numbers in the finals were always lower than the regular season or the rest of the playoffs. Numerous times got slowed down in the finals by Bill.

Third of all, stat line argument has little weight to it bc otherwise he’d be the goat if we were going off of stats.

Very weak arguments, hopefully Coach can come up with something better

He scored 100, quit trying to discredit it cause Kobe scored 81. And if you do at least tell the full story


Edited by BNC, 25 December 2017 - 05:23 PM.

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#2 SG of all time #24, on 19 Jun 2016 - 9:53 PM, said:snapback.png

@bnc even tho two weeks ago you gave up, ill forget that one for tonight. After all these years of back and forth, i wanna say congrats, and i can finally say lebron > kobe. Good luck, see you next season

 

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Posted 25 December 2017 - 06:48 PM

He scored 100, quit trying to discredit it cause Kobe scored 81. And if you do at least tell the full story


Im not discrediting it but using that as an argument for wilt > magic is pretty off

And kobe has nothing to do with this
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Posted 25 December 2017 - 06:57 PM

Im not discrediting it but using that as an argument for wilt > magic is pretty off

And kobe has nothing to do with this

Obviously it’s a terrible reason, and yes you are discrediting it. And yea Kobe is the reason you discredit it


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#2 SG of all time #24, on 19 Jun 2016 - 9:53 PM, said:snapback.png

@bnc even tho two weeks ago you gave up, ill forget that one for tonight. After all these years of back and forth, i wanna say congrats, and i can finally say lebron > kobe. Good luck, see you next season

 




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